Conflicted on Ralf Nader
In what would be an act of self-parody of near epic proportions, Ralph Nader may be getting ready to make another run for the presidency. I find myself strangely conflicted by the news.
On the one hand, I suppose there’s always the very remote possibility that out of the half dozen or so votes he’d get nationwide, enough of them might fall into one battleground state to help McCain win. To be honest, though, that’s kind of like refusing to go outside because you’re afraid space junk may fall on you. It’s conceivable, but there are a lot of other things to worry about first.
On the other hand, speaking as someone who’s never forgiven Nader for what he did to this country in 2000, I’ll confess that there’s a small part of me (and I’m not proud of this) that would like to see him humiliated, as he will be if he runs this year.
Being dubbed the Harold Stassen of our era might just be an apt sort of justice for Saint Ralph.
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February 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Off the subject, but just a further note about Larkrise. She did meet a charming man and the got quite close. One day he said “We should go to see Venice before it is submerged under the rising ocean.” So the jumped on a plane and went. They then leased a small villa above Tuscany and continue to visit places in Europe.
(Jeez! That’s the 1st time I’ve ever gone off subject, but to bring it back, he doesn’t look anything like Ralphie Nader.)
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:26 am
And since I already mentioned Larkrise and her beautiful Tina Turner legs, let me mention she took the name Larkrise because of her wonderful trilling voice. Though she could have an acidic tongue at times, especially when it came to politics, most of the time here voice was melodic. Like A lark. On one of her and her new friends trips through Europe the met the fellow we know as “Again”. A dashing German fellow who all the women have a habit of saying “you are so handsome and dashing!” to which he would reply,”Tell me that again.” Hence the name “Again”.
None of whom have any resemblance to Ralph.
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 am
I voted for Ralph Nader in 1996, when he was the nominee for the Green Party, as building the alternative of a peoples party to the corporate duocracy was important (but not in 2000, even though he was still the Green Party candida, since stopping Bush was more important, so I wasted my vote on Gore, which, since it didn’t work, I regretted for the next four years), but did not in 2004, when Nader tried for but failed to get that nomination, which instead went that year to David Cobb. So Nader fought to be on some ballots that year anyway as an Independent, showing that having an alternative to the corporate duocracy appear on the ballot wasn’t Nader’s real aim – since Cobb was that alternative in 2004 – but rather, it was all about him personally. So in 2004 I voted for Cobb and not Nader. This time, in 2008, Nader isn’t even one of the candidates contending for the Green Party nomination (the most prominent of which this year is Cynthia McKinney), and if he runs at all this year it will again be as an Independent. So it looks like, this year, I will vote for McKinney or whoever instead of Nader.
Incidentally, voting for the Democrat for President rather than for a peoples party candidate strikes me as going for instant gratification, wanting an immediate hollow victory now instead of building toward a substantial victory in the future. The Dems and the Reps are playing the “good cop” and “bad cop” roles in the corporate duocracy. Better to go with the “loyal friend” who’s really on your side instead of the “good cop” who just pretends he is but doesn’t really act in your interests. Actions speak louder than words. In 1992 I voted for Bill Clinton, and yes, Mr. NAFTA, Mr. Bomb Yugoslavia For A Lie (the nonexistent mass graves in Yugoslavia were the 1990s counterpart to the nonexistent WMDs in Iraq) with an eye toward creating the now-declared “independent” (ha!) Kosovo, turned out to be merely a hollow victory.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 am
I hope Larkrise sends us a postcard from Venice!
Ralf
I have not forgiven that meglomaniacal butthead for his last ego trip.
What’s his problem? He hasn’t done enough damage to the country and the people he professes he loves and fights for? Screw Ralf Nader.
February 24th, 2008 at 1:35 am
RJ makes a good point about an independent candidate. It keeps the other two parties more honest but it is still a long shot with the blue and red so angrily divided. I am constantly amazed at how little talk of Global warming there is in the debates and the rhetoric. BushCo has big plans to turn over our public lands and national forests to loggers and miners. The water out west is going to be trashed. At least the Green Party has their eye on a vital issue. It would be nice if the media allowed them a voice.
February 24th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Ralph Nader did not flip the 2000 election to George W. Bush.
Ralph Nader received 1.6% of the vote in Florida while roughly 10% of ballots cast in Florida were never officially counted. All those hanging chads were caused by a Republican election official who insisted on changing the machine-required card stock for the 2000 ballots. The recounting of those hanging-chad ballots was stopped by those pesky “Brooks Brothers” rioters, among whom was a future UN ambassador! Those confusing butterfly ballots, which gave Pat Buchanan a big boost in Miami of all places, were approved by a Republican election official who switched her party affiliation shortly before the election. A computer programmer testified before a Florida legislative committee that he had been hired by Republicans to write vote-flipping software for Florida’s electronic voting machines before the 2000 election. Do you believe it was just good campaign strategy for the Bush people to have a whole slew of lawyers, activists, and planes at the ready to descend on Florida when there was the first whiff of electoral “irregularities” in Florida?
Al Gore, who should have been able to sleepwalk his way to the White House, ran an insipid campaign, and we all know it. He chose Joe Lieberman as his VP – the same Lieberman who demanded in a press conference that ALL the Florida military votes be counted no matter how obviously flawed but was mute on insisting that valid votes in Florida be counted.
If we didn’t know it then, we surely must recognize it now: George W. Bush ran a campaign fraught with election fraud, all the while knowing that if he got caught, someone, even if it had to be the Supreme Court, would cover his ass. And then, the Florida fiasco was used to push for easily hackable, unverifiable electronic voting machines and ballot scanners, made exclusively by Republican companies, one of whom promised Ohio to Bush in the 2004 election (the election Kerry conceded before the Ohio vote was tabulated and right after John Edwards promised every vote would be counted?), into every polling station across the land.
And you are pissed off at Ralph Nader, a private citizen who has done more good for this country then maybe since the founding fathers. And more, you want Ralph humiliated. Shame on you.
There is plenty to be pissed off about because of the 2000 election, but Nader having been on the ballot shouldn’t be one of them.
How about rewording your comment from another post: “It’s a good reminder, in light of Fisher’s erratic behavior and offensive comments, especially in his later years, not to jump too quickly in making judgments about people” to “It’s a good reminder, in light of Nader’s erratic behavior and presidential campaigns, especially in his later years, not to jump too quickly (or irrationally) in making judgments about people.” OK?